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Trinity Verses -- a Problem


Does 1 John 5:7 Support The Trinity Doctrine?

Presented by Dan L Baxley

Part 1 of 2 parts
The tinity doctrine is realtive new to Christianity.  It is amazing how quickly, from an historical view, that the Protestant Christians, going, first, against many of the pagan doctrines of the Mother Church of Rome, did an about face and accepted the Trinity of gods concept.  But they have, leaving a few scattered Chrisitan bodies to stand against this false teaching.  It is the purpose of this short study to expose this doctrine for what it is, a doctrine of devils.  Of course, those who have embedded their religious careers on doctrines such as this one, will lash out, scream and shout.  Back in the old days, when the Roman Mother Church had the power over peoples and kings, they would have visited all who denounced this pagan doctrine, with fire, or at least, by torture to submit. Let us, while we still have the freedom to do so, examine the few pieces of the Scribes work that seem to suggest that there is a Threesome in the God Head:

 This is all about the translators messing with the writings dubbed inspired.  The Trinity Doctrine has a couple of additions, and I do mean additions to the original writings, that were added in by the New Testament translators.  For what reason?  We can only guess because they are all dead and have left it to those who would bother checking their work before accepting as the TOTAL truth.   Of course, some errors are "inherited" and difficult to overcome, especially, mentally.  Just think about it -- how many people bother double checking what is taught as fact

1 John 5:7 & 8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.  And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
There is something called,  "inherited error", which is something that happens when someone is  raised with a certain belief that may be in error.  The Trinity doctrine  was rejected by nearly all Protestant Churches coming out from under  Roman Catholic domination.  The doctrines of the Roman Church were being  questioned and to do that, for some, meant the death penalty.  Still,  too many "inherited errors" were coming to the light and being exposed.   As little as 40 years ago, the Protestant and Evangelical Churches  denounced the Trinity Doctrine as false.  Here we are decades later and  what do we see?  A complete reversal -- many Protestant and Evangelical  Churches, the latter especially, have abandoned that error and now,  unbelievably, use that doctrine as a "proof" for who is a legit  Christian or not.  I has been incorporated into the Creed and even a  required confession for Baptism by nearly all.  Forget about how many  brothers and sister of the Faith first delivered, went to the burning  stake for renouncing this Roman Doctrine of Three Gods, the Trinity.

Now that I have your  attention -- Here is a commentary, by one of those Protestant leaders of  old, putting forth the reasoning for rejecting the verse that says or  seems to clearly say that there is a trinity.  I could write about this  all day long, but sometimes it is best to hear from a stranger.  I have highlighted parts and pieces to focus for clarity in Bold print --

The following is from Joseph Barnes Notes and Commentary about the inherited error in the Doctrine of the Trinity --
Barnes Comments: It  is not consistent with the design of these notes to go into a full  investigation of a question of this sort. And all that can be done is to  state, in a brief way, the “results” which have been reached, in an  examination of the question. Those who are disposed to pursue the  investigation further, can find all that is to be said in the works  referred to at the bottom of the page.  The portion of the passage, in  1Jo_5:7-8, whose genuineness is disputed, is included in brackets in the following quotation, as it stands in the common editions of the New Testament: “For there are three that bear record (in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth,) the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.” If the disputed passage, therefore, be omitted as spurious, the whole passage will read, “For there are three that bear record, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.” The reasons which seem to me to prove that the passage included in brackets is spurious, and should not be regarded as a part of the inspired writings, are briefly the following:

      I. It is missing in all the earlier Greek manuscripts,  for it is found in no Greek manuscript written before the 16th century.  Indeed, it is found in only two Greek manuscripts of any age - one the  Codex Montfortianus, or Britannicus, written in the beginning of the  sixteenth century, and the other the Codex Ravianus, which is a mere  transcript of the text, taken partly from the third edition of Stephen’s  New Testament, and partly from the Complutensian Polyglott. But it is  incredible that a genuine passage of the New Testament should be missing  in all the early Greek manuscripts.
      II. It is missing in the earliest versions, and,  indeed, in a large part of the versions of the New Testament which have  been made in all former times. It is wanting in both the Syriac versions  - one of which was made probably in the first century; in the Coptic,  Armenian, Slavonic, Ethiopic, and Arabic.
      III. It is never quoted by the Greek fathers in their controversies on the doctrine of the Trinity  - a passage which would be so much in point, and which could not have  failed to be quoted if it were genuine; and it is not referred to by the  Latin fathers until the time of Vigilius, at the end of the 5th  century. If the passage were believed to be genuine - nay, if it were  known at all to be in existence, and to have any probability in its  favor - it is incredible that in all the controversies which occurred in  regard to the divine nature, and in all the efforts to define the doctrine of the Trinity, this passage should never have been referred to. But it never was;  for it must be plain to anyone who examines the subject with an  unbiased mind, that the passages which are relied on to prove that it  was quoted by Athanasius, Cyprian, Augustin, etc., (Wetstein, II., p.  725) are not taken from this place, and are not such as they would have  made if they had been acquainted with this passage, and had designed to  quote it.
  IV. The argument  against the passage from the external proof is confirmed by internal  evidence, which makes it morally certain that it cannot be genuine.

The connection does not demand it.  It does not contribute to advance what the apostle is saying, but  breaks the thread of his argument entirely. He is speaking of certain  things which bear “witness” to the fact that Jesus is the Messiah;  certain things which were well known to those to whom he was writing -  the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. How does it contribute to  strengthen the force of this to say that in heaven there are “three that  bear witness” - three not before referred to, and having no connection  with the matter under consideration?

  (b) The “language” is not such as John would use.  He does, indeed, elsewhere use the term “Logos,” or “Word” - ὁ Λόγος   ho Logos, Joh_1:1, Joh_1:14; 1Jo_1:1, but it is never in this form,  “The Father, and the Word;” that is, the terms “Father” and “Word” are  never used by him, or by any of the other sacred writers, as  correlative. The word “Son” - ὁ Υἱός  ho Huios - is the term which is  correlative to the “Father” in every other place as used by John, as  well as by the other sacred writers. See 1Jo_1:3; 1Jo_2:22-24; 1Jo_4:14;  2Jo_1:3, 2Jo_1:9; and the Gospel of John, “passim.” Besides, the  correlative of the term “Logos,” or “Word,” with John, is not “Father,”  but “God.” See Joh_1:1. Compare Rev_19:13.
(c) Without this passage, the sense of the argument is  clear and appropriate. There are three, says John, which bear witness  that Jesus is the Messiah. These are referred to in 1Jo_5:6; and in  immediate connection with this, in the argument, 1Jo_5:8, it is affirmed  that their testimony goes to one point, and is harmonious. To say that  there are other witnesses elsewhere, to say that they are one,  contributes nothing to illustrate the nature of the testimony of these  three - the water, and the blood, and the Spirit; and the internal sense  of the passage, therefore, furnishes as little evidence of its  genuineness as the external proof.
  V. It is easy to  imagine how the passage found a place in the New Testament. It was at  first written, perhaps, in the margin of some Latin manuscript, as  expressing the belief of the writer of what was true in heaven, as well  as on earth, and with no more intention to deceive than we have when we  make a marginal note in a book. Some transcriber copied it into the body  of the text, perhaps with a sincere belief that it was a genuine  passage, omitted by accident; and then it became too important a passage  in the argument for the Trinity, ever to be displaced but by the most  clear critical evidence. It was rendered into Greek, and inserted in one  Greek manuscript of the 16th century, while it was missing in all the earlier manuscripts.

The End -- not really, this is only part of Dr Barnes Comments.  Continue to Part 2

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