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Q: You are in error Brother regarding the Sons Of God. Before Christ came, NO MAN was called Sons of God, but only Angels!  

A: If you don’t mind I would like to correct you.  Wherever you got that idea it was not from the Bible –

Speaking to the people of Israel --

(Psalms 82:6)  I said, 'You are gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' NIV
(Psa 82:6)  I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. KJV

Why the KJV translated “children” is anybody’s guess as this word is the same as used in the Book of Job for “sons”, or “bene”, in Hebrew.  The choices for the use of this Hebrew word are immense, most often as “son” but context has to dominate.  YaHshua Himself used this verse to shut the mouths of His accuers -- yes, some are teaching that this verse, too, is talking about "angels", but it is not, it is talking about the people of Israel, those who are supposed to be worshiping the one true God, YaHWeH.  Our Lord, YaHshua, goes to this verse, and there is not mistaking what He means, and from His lips, what this means.

(John 10:34)  YaHshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods?'

YaHshua quotes from the Scripture reminding the Pharisees that the Scripture, “their Law”, He calls it, calls them (their forefathers) “sons of God”, effectively shutting them up in their super sensitive righteousness that He, YaHshua, should suggest He is a “son of God”, and why not, as He demonstrated, they were saying the same thing about themselves.

Even taking the KJV translation, translating the Hebrew "bene" as "children", then what would the "children of God" be if not "Sons", even sons and daughters?  By the use of the word "children" the KJV translators have included women.  Terms like, "mankind" and "Humanity" while appearing as male centered were used to include women, even the word for the female side of humanity is understood to express this, Male First and encompassing all of the huMAN race.  WoMAN, feMALE, huMAN -- mankind.  If this is offensive to some fe-males, get over it, rewriting the whole language of "man" creates more confusion than not.  If the called of god, can be called the children of God, then "sons and daughters of God", right?

(Heb 1:5)  For unto which of the angels said He at any time, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?

According to the above verse, Paul said to the Hebrews, Angels were never called “sons”!   We do have evidence angels were called the Host, and Servants, and ministering spirits (Rev 19:10, Heb 1:14). In light of this we should correct the wording in the Book of Job, it appears to be a translation error and if this is correct it would then become a nonissue and become clear and agree with the revelations we receive from our New Covenant  writings.  When the "sons of God" came before the God of Heaven, it should have been translated, "servants of God", because Paul is quoting the OT and asking this very same question with a negative answer.  Read Ps 2:1-12, the prophecy about the "anointed One", and know this is not applied to any angel.  Remember, this is a prophetic run, and the "anointed one" came in the flesh, as a man, so there we have another example in the OT where a "man" is called a "son of God".  

James, you make a wrong assumption when you say no man was called a son or sons prior to the Messiah.  Read the following verse for correction:

(Luke 3:38) Which was the son of Enos (Enoch), which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

 Here we see Adam, a man, before YaHshua the Christ, called the “son of God”.  By the act of creation Adam, a male, is called a son of God, the first of the flesh, whom YaHWeH created in His own likeness.  So, we are back again to Hebrews 1:4-5 – our Creator never called any angel His son, or sons -- it is a translation error.
This also excludes our Savior from having existed before as an angel as the Mormon Church and others teach.  YaHshua was never an angel He was the Creator of all things, John 1:1, 14, as the WORD of God the Father –  

(Eph 3:9)  And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God (the Father), who created all things by YaHshua the Christ:

Heading off another arguement: Some will say that in the verses of Ps 2:1-2 YaHWeH is calling the "anointed one" his son to be -- YaHshua.  And if YaHshua is the Creator of all things then He must be YaHWeH, the Creator of all things.  This is a truth, God the Father was not known, not understood until YaHshua came to reveal Him -- in Ps 2, and other chapters of the OT we find YHWH (LORD) speaking as if He is the Father, and in Ps 2, especially we do see YHWH referencing the Coming Messiah, or the Anointed One as His son.  Remember, the concept of there being a Father over and above YHWH, the Creator, is foreign to the Jewish thought and they recognize only YHWH as the Father, but YaHshua Said they had never seen Him nor heard His voice (John 5:37).  This means something is wrong because they say all of the Torah came from YHWH and the people of Israel heard the voice of YHWH at mount Sinai and even witnessed His form -- Ex 33:9, 11.  Clearly something is wrong, as it is our Savior making this revelation about our Heavenly Father.  The answer lies in His Name, YaHWeH, and the Name of our Savior, YaHshua.  When YaHshua was in His previous glory as YaHWeH He exhibited the Glory of the True Father in His NAME and when our Savior, the Anointed One, came in the flesh He again exhibited the Glory of the Father in His Name, then, He, YaHshua, told us about the Father.  Read Matt 11:27  " one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal HIM.

James, your question is appreciated but I think it has been demonstrated that what you assumed to be true is not. You have been hood-winked by some clever writers, preachers or teachers.  So, to continue with their false point of view I think we can again prove their error and you will see the truth to this matter even better.  

In the writings of Job we do see the angels called sons, but this presents a  problem when considering the verses I quoted from Paul to the Hebrews – there is a contradiction.  However, when you look up “son” in the Hebrew Dictionary you find the word, “bene” or "bane" and a huge selection of choices which include, "servant" and "soldier" among many other choices other than to mean an actual "son".  In transliterating this word, “bene” from the Hebrew it is left up to the translator to decide from the context which of these choices to apply -- or to rely upon his biased opinion, something that cannot be overlooked.  

The KJV translators decided to use, “children” in the Psalms example, but used the same Hebrew word for “sons” in Job?  In the case of the Book of Job reading, or translating “soldier” or “servant” would have been a better choice, as we have already learned -- our Heavenly Father never called any angel His son, and challenges anyone to prove He ever did, as we have already read, and this would mean that the translators, in the Hebrew to English, got it wrong, and the Jewish scholars continue to get it wrong because they do not have the benefit of the New covenant writings to correct their thinking -- remember, they reject the New Covenant and our Savior, YaHshua.  

Further reasoning for this is simple, YaHWeH is often called the Lord of Host, and as it turns out, Host can an often does mean “armies”.  The Host of the Heavens is the Angelic Armies of YaHWeH, thus – His soldiers, and these soldiers, these "hosts of angels" are not called "sons" -- over and over again the angels of Heaven are referred to as the "Host of Heaven", while we find only one place the word "son" is used, and that word, according to the writings of the Apostle Paul should not have been used -- remember his letter to the HEBREWS --

(Heb 1:1-5) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Being made so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they. For unto which of the angels said He at any time, You are My Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

According to the translators of the Book of Job, God called angels His sons in the first chapter, second verse.  What?  Didn't Paul have the current writings of the Prophets and the Law?  Paul, a grade A student in all things Hebrew?  Paul a Jew of great intelligence and education and upbringing?  Certainly he knew the Inspired writings and it is this statement, by him, that should prove the error found in the Book of Job by the hand of the translators.  This is truly a correction, made by a true Apostle of the Living God.  

 And to further support this we read in Rev 22:9 a mighty Angel of the Lord telling the Apostle John that he is a “servant”.  By this we can also determine that in the Book of Job, "servant" would have been a better choice than “son”soldiers or servants, not sons as Paul’s writing to the Hebrews makes plain, our Creator never called an Angel his Son, but they are called, servants, soldiers or the Host of Heaven -- not the "sons of Heaven".  I think I have repeated myself, but I think it is all worth repeating from a different angle if the fog can be blown aside long enough to see the clear truth.

But wait, someone is going to point out that in Rev 22:9, it says, "I am a fellow servant like you and of the prophets..."  etc.  This angel is pointing out that he is a worker and serving as a servant might.  He compares his service as a servant and fellow worker, not as a son.  John, had fallen to his knees before this angel because of his appearance being so glorious, but the angel corrected him.  We need to remember, that the prophets and other workers in the flesh are not "born" or "reborn' yet.  This, powerful, angelic being tells this low, flesh and blood man, that he is no better than John or others of the flesh that came before him.  Imagine that.  Christians like saying they are born again, but his is only a saying, while they are to live as if they had been reborn, and to put on the new man or new woman, making a change in their life, they have not yet been truly reborn -- that will come at the resurrection when we become like YaHshua.  

(John 3:6-7)  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Are you a spirit being?  No, you are still in the flesh.  The idea and in places where it says you are born anew, it is, by faith, as good as having happened, even though it has not yet.  The point being, the angel talking with the Apostle John had compared himself to those of the present and from the past, dead and in the grave, not born again as literal sons but still of the dust.  This angel, that so impressed John, made himself as low as man, making a point we should all appreciate and honor among the angels with such an attitude -- we can be thankful our Lord has such super, powerful beings on His side and on our side --

(Heb 1:13)  But to which of the angels said He at any time, Sit on My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Thanks for the input, your servant, Dan


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