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Q: Dan – What is your thinking on the Holy Spirit? Doesn’t’ the bible say they are three and the three are one in 1Jn 5:78 but you say they are not, how do you explain that? Jeff
A: Things are not always what they seem or what others want you to see. Let’s have a look at that verse. Look closely at the parallel verses between the KJ and NIV -- notice the difference – something very suspicious?
(1Jn 5:7-8) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. KJV
(1Jn 5:7-8) For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NIV, ESV, GW
When our Savior was crucified a spear was thrust into His side, making sure He was dead. YaHshua's Spirit, that part of Him that belonged to the Father had left Him, the spear opened up His body and water and blood flowed out, all agreed He was dead -- no water, not blood and the spirit had left Him -- He was dead. There is no denying, by these three witnesses, YaHshua died that day on the cross. This is not a testimony that there are three gods in one, but a testimony of His death, not a pretend death, and also a proof that YaHsua had come in the flesh, not some aberration.
(1Jn 4:3) and every spirit who doesn’t confess that YaHshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is not of FATHER, and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.(1Jn 2:22) Who is the liar but he who denies that YaHshua is the the Messiah? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. (And who is it today that denies the Father and the Son?)
With 1 John 5:7-8 we have what appears to be an addition by some well meaning, or devious person attempting to get scripture to line up with their own or their church doctrine. With some research you will find the reason the NIV and other modern translations drop half of the KJV translation is that it is not found in earlier copies but was an addition. I will say it again, these KJV additions are not found in the oldest manuscripts. This verse did not appear until sometime in the 14th Century, some date it a bit earlier than this but the fact remains, this is an additions to the Word of God. This addition may not be the KJV translators fault, as it was and addition that took place before the KJV was created, but from this addition we can see the KJV translators were not exactly going to the Original Greek, as they call it, for their work as this addition was in a previous translation upon which they founded the KJV. The KJV translation, in fact, used previious translation works, like Tyndales work in the New Testament and the Bishops Bible as well. This idea the KJV is a word for word of the Original Greek is a fable told so many times it is believed. What the KJV translators did was not unlike what the NKJV (New King James) of today has done -- taking a previous translation and updating the language . The old KJV suggests there are three, or a trinity of gods, following the basic Roman Catholic doctrine adopted from a pagan past. Apparently someone believing this doctrine felt that his belief, or their belief, should be added to the Scriptures to support that teaching. It should also be understood that just because there was a revolt against the Roman Catholic Church by those called Protestants (protestors) they did not abandon all of her teachings, some only rejected the Pope as "supreme leader" while keeping all of her pagan doctrines. Many of the modern versions have made this correction, the following demonstrate this.
The NIV is joined by the well received ESV (English Standard Version) and then there is the Young’s Literal Translation, found in many of today's Bible Software programs, let’s compare again:
ESV (English Standard Version -- In this translation the added words are dropped just like in the NIV, because these words are not found in the earlier copies of the Greek and are absent in the Aramaic )
(1Jn 5:7-8) For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
[Young's Literal Translation -- the blue words between the brackets ( ) signifies added words -- words not in the "literal translation" -- Even in Young's Literal Translation words have been added (?). This version does the reader the honor of marking these additions -- at least the additions they know about]
(1Jn 5:7-8) … because three are who are testifying (in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these--the three--are one; and three are who are testifying in the earth), the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.
The KJV is a big proponent of the Trinity Doctrine, all you have to do is read the promise our Savior gave His disciples and see the Holy Spirit is addressed as an individual, as the “Comforter”, apart from our Savior. It is the choice of words that promote this idea but most of all it is the ignoring other works -- the KJV translators were comfortable with the Roman Church doctrine of the Trinity and from this view conducted their translation. Let’s have a look at the Biblical teaching, not the teachings of men – open your own bible and read --
(John 14:16-17) And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees Him not, neither knows Him: but you know Him; for He lives with you, and shall be in you.
The words of our Savior, YaHshua, and it seems pretty clear dosen’t it. The Comforter is referred to as a “he” and that “he” will live with you and even be in you -- like some kind of possession, it would seem. Everyone that teaches the Trinity Doctrine says the “Comforter” is the Holy Spirit”, a totally separate "person", as they say it, but wait, there is more --
(John 14:18-20) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world sees me no more; but you see me: because I live, you shall live also. At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
Reading the full context, not leaving any of the teaching from our Messiah, YaHshua, out, we read that it is He that is “in us” -- but wait, He also says that we are "in Him" as He is in the Father -- this is the unity we have, joined by the Father's Holy Spirit. We will not be left "comfortless" because He will come to us -- we read first the Father will not leave us without a helper, a comforter, and then we are told it is YaHshua that the Father wll send to us, not as before but in Spirit, and not only that but that we are to be in Him as He is in us and thus we are all in the Father -- How is this possible except by their SPIRIT. Reapeating: We are told that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him and He is in us, and we are in HIM. This is the unity found in the Holy Spirit of God our Father, we are all united with THEM by His Spirit. Our Heavenly Father is Spirit and is Holy – He is the Holy Spirit. The “Comforter” to come to us, also called the “Spirit of Truth” and is also the Spirit of the Father and of YaHshua Himself. Also notice, we are told that this cannot be accepted by the “world”. We should not be so astonished, then, that the world accepts something else as truth. But wait, there is still more –
(1Jn 4:12-13) No man has seen God (the Father) at any time. If we love one another, God dwells (lives) in us, and His love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell (live) in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
There is much more to this but this is the answer -- The Holy Spirit is not a separate being apart from our Heavenly Father. The Holy Spirit comes to us and can be in us and this is the mystery -- the Messiah in us by the power of our Father's Holy Spirit.
(Eph 2:18) For through Him (YaHshua) we both have access to the Father by ONE Spirit.
(Eph 2:19) Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with the Christ YaHshua Himself as the chief cornerstone.
(Eph 2:21-22) In Him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a Holy temple in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God (the Father) lives by HIS Spirit.
Mountains of books have been written on the Subject of the Holy Spirit, nearly all trying to prove or convince people that the Holy Spirit is a separate diety, a third member of the God Head. The simple fact is -- the God Head is The Father Himself and He has given to our Savior, YaHshua, authority over all creation and has invited us in, by adoption, and eventually our rebirth, to be His children too, along with YaHshua as our brother not by anything we have done but by and through YaHshua and no other, In Him only. By virtue of the fact the Father and the Son are united in Spirit so are we, even before our change, as the seed of God the Fahter's household. YaHshua in the Father, and YaHshua in us and us in Him, thus we are to, by Him, in the Father -- united to the Father by the Father. YaHshua makes this possible by His shed blood covering and cleaning us (even though we are still not worthy) so that we can come to our Heavenly Father, clean, able to approach Him as we pray, "Our Father in Heaven, Holy is Your Name..." We have become His Children and are united by His Spirit and our Savior is not ashamed of those who have accepted Him as the Son of God our Father, His Father and it is an antichrist that denies this. YaHshua, our brother? Imagine that, sanctified in HIM.